Thursday 28 February 2018 – coldest since 1785

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I did think that yesterday’s cold was exceptional for late February, but it wasn’t until I download the finalised daily CET data from the Met Office this morning that I realised it had in fact been the coldest 28th of February since 1785 in Central England – that’s 233 years ago.

The mean temperature for yesterday was just -3.6°C, which was just a smidgen short of the -3.8°C lowest for that day in 1785, and -8.1°C lower than the 1961-1990 long-term average.

The mean daily temperature series started in 1772, but if you compare the day maximum for yesterday of -1.3°C that was the coldest since at least 1878 when the more detailed max/min series began.

Author: xmetman

An ex-metman passionate about all things to do with weather, climate and clouds

21 thoughts on “Thursday 28 February 2018 – coldest since 1785”

  1. Peter,
    I asked why “you have continually been unable to quote one law of physics or one observation that supports your claim… other than theories & projections”.

    You answered “Its really simple, read the reports. Can I make it any clearer?”

    You seem to be saying that the reason you are unable to support your claim… is because you read the reports.!!!

    Nb: I spent many hrs reading 1,000s of pgs in AR1, AR4 & AR5 (What a sado; I really should get out more), Did I miss something in AR2 or AR3 ? If so what was it ?

    You are very clear… that you don’t understand the physics involved & are just a true believer, else you could totally demolish all skeptical argument in a few sentences of scientific fact.

    Just quote the gas law that allows CO2 to be the main driver of weather or for it to heat something thats hotter than it’s self,
    It should be prominent in the IPCC reports – but where ??

  2. Peter you say ” ‘CO2 is the main driver of weather’. Its the main change to climate forcings ”

    Yet, you have continually been unable to quote one law of physics or one observation that supports your claim… other than theories & projections… why is that ?

    Its really simple, read the IPCC reports. Can I make it any clearer?

  3. Peter you say ” ‘CO2 is the main driver of weather’. Its the main change to climate forcings ”

    Yet, you have continually been unable to quote one law of physics or one observation that supports your claim… other than theories & projections… why is that ?

    I’m NOT trying to confuse things with red herrings, I want to keep it simple, stick to fundamentals.

    We’ve been told ‘the science was settled’, so it shouldn’t be hard for you to point out the error of my ways,
    So, just quote the gas law that allows CO2 to be the main driver of weather or for it to heat something thats hotter than it’s self,.

    There simples.

  4. YES I am,

    the moment you provide some empirical evidence…

    LOL, Two paragraphs of exclusions eh? I dunno.

    Oh, ‘CO2 is the main driver of weather’. Its the main change to climate forcings – think about that perhaps subtle distinction and stop trying to confuse things with red herrings..

    Look, just read the latest IPCC reports – all the data (and physics, or links to said) you could need is there. Of course, you’ll just reject that and then demand I provide you with some data. So, again, I’d say, read the IPCC reports and again, you say, provide me some data. And again I’d…

    Get it? YOU WILL just reject anything that goes against your beliefs. Go figure 🙂

  5. “you aren’t about to change your mind – are you?”

    YES I am,

    the moment you provide some empirical evidence of where the radiative gas & thermodynamic laws are in error & empirical proof that CO2 is the main driver of weather.

    But, don’t quote politicians, newspapers, computer model outputs or any thing that uses words like –
    can, clearly, could, conjectured, considered, expected, may, might, perhaps, possibly, projected, robust, unprecedented
    “Experts suggest…” “It has been said that …” “Research has shown…” “Science indicates …” “It can be argued…” “Scientists believe….” “A high level of certainty”

    Just some good old fashion DATA

    I’ve asked you many times in the past to provide some…. & I’m still waiting (not holding my breath).

    Keep warm.

  6. Because, like many others (me included 10 yrs ago) he accepted the 97% consensus (of 77 people), & joined the cult who just quote junk science & bad computer models.
    but hasn’t done the simple research on the physics of atmospheric gases or the laws of thermodynamics that shows CO2 is only a bit player in driving the weather.

    There’s little point in a discussion because (clue) you aren’t about to change your mind – are you?

    I can quote you various IPCC reports (the efforts of thousands of scientists from relevant fields). I can quote you lots of people from The Hadley Centre. I can quote you people from NOAA, GISS, NCDC. Not one of them, NOT ONE, could change you mind. Am I right? Or can your mind be changed, but only if we say what you want to hear?

    Who’s the one of us two who’s in a cult and with immovable views then……..

  7. “How do you know that any particular “change” is due to CO2?”

    Because, like many others (me included 10 yrs ago) he accepted the 97% consensus (of 77 people), & joined the cult who just quote junk science & bad computer models.
    but hasn’t done the simple research on the physics of atmospheric gases or the laws of thermodynamics that shows CO2 is only a bit player in driving the weather.

    Nature ALWAYS wins whatever we think & however arrogant we are.

    Theres always been just one constant in climate….change !

  8. “For me the question isn’t what is normal but what forcings (clue, we play a role now) change weather and climate and thus what is normal.”
    So don’t you think that change can occur in a random or chaotic manner?
    How do you know that any particular “change” is due to CO2?

  9. It never was.

    I think what normal is changes, but since normal is another word for average and averages change, normal changes.

    For me the question isn’t what is normal but what forcings (clue, we play a role now) change weather and climate and thus what is normal. I realise at that point we reach and impasse so I’m off to clear some snow…

  10. “I can’t believe you wrote that. Why on earth would you compare February weather with January weather? You do know how the temperature (on average) changes each month in this country???”

    I think this may originate from confusion over what I meant.
    I meant i was surprised it was colder than February 28th 2010.

  11. its only “bonkers” if you subscribe to the belief that all weather has to be “normal”.

    I don’t think our weather is ‘normal’ anymore.

  12. I can’t believe you wrote that. Why on earth would you compare February weather with January weather? You do know how the temperature (on average) changes each month in this country???”

    Actually, I suspect you do and I misunderstand you?…

  13. That was just the coldest “28 February” on record, January 1987 was indeed much colder.

    I can’t believe you wrote that. Why on earth would you compare February weather with January weather? You do know how the temperature (on average) changes each month in this country???

    Within a few years winter snowfall will become a very rare and exciting event, Children just aren’t going to know what snow is” he’s spot on – here (up on Dartmoor remember) we haven’t had snow like this since 2010…

  14. Just been watching a program about the 1963 freeze with Cliff Mitchellmore I remember walking in the frozen sea at Penarth on the Bristol Channel.

  15. “Within a few years winter snowfall will become a very rare and exciting event, Children just aren’t going to know what snow is”.
    Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit of the University of East Anglia, March 2000…. So much for a senior ex-Berts opinion.

  16. Went for a walk to my local wildlife reserve (an old quarry) today.
    Mostly frozen over and all of the geese and ducks were huddled in the middle.
    Saw my first ever Redwing!

  17. “ts absolutely bonkers weather.”
    Why do you say that?
    Its winter.
    its only “bonkers” if you subscribe to the belief that all weather has to be “normal”.

  18. I aam a bit surprised it was colder than 2010.
    I expect that the first week in March will be one of the coldest in the CET series.

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